Is Jesus also The Father and The Holy Ghost?

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by Tim Roach


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There are those that say that The Father (our Creator), The Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit are one persona or one entity.

I, however, wonder if this idea was a misinterpretation of the original text or perhaps even a 'political' decision by the early church as a compromise to the belief that was often accepted that our Creator was/is the only God in heaven. (I will discuss more about that in a moment and on other pages.)

Let us start with why I think that Jesus is not also The Father and Holy Spirit.

There are many places in the Bible where, Jesus talks about things that only his Father (our Creator) knows or things that only The Father can do. A couple of the more notable being:

MT 20:20 - MT 20:23
Then came to him the mother of the sons of Zebedee with her sons, adoring and asking something of him.
Who said to her: What wilt thou? She saith to him: Say that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left, in thy kingdom.
And Jesus answering, said: You know not what you ask. Can you drink the chalice that I shall drink? They say to him: We can.
He saith to them: My chalice indeed you shall drink; but to sit on my right or left hand, is not mine to give to you, but to them for whom it is prepared by my Father.

Or

MK 13:31 - MK 13:33
Earth and sky will pass away, but it is certain that my words will not pass away.
But as to that day or the exact time no one knows--not even the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
Take care, be on the alert, and pray; for you do not know when it will happen.

If Jesus really was The Father but merely in another form why would he say that only The Father can do something? However, even more curious to me is, if Jesus were the Father but simply in another form, would he not have the same information available to himself regardless of the form/persona he was taking?

Then there are the sections where Jesus references Himself, the Father & the Holy spirit separately. For instance:

MT 10:32-MT 10:33
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

and

MT 12:32
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.

If Jesus was indeed the Father & the Holy Ghost why would he speak about each seperate from himself rather than simply referring to himself?

However, the section in the Bible that I believe most obviously shows that Jesus is not the Father nor is he The Holy spirit is the part about what happened when he (Jesus) was baptized:

MK 1:9-MK 1:11
And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
And there came a voice from heaven, [saying], Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The same is also described in :

LK 3:21 - LK 3:22
Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

If Jesus really was the Father and The Holy Spirit/Ghost why would all three be shown in separate forms when Jesus was baptized?

However, it is understandable that there is some confusion; especially when one considers passages such as:

JN 10:26-JN 10:30
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
I and my Father are one.

I wonder if the phrase 'I and my Father are one' has been taken out of context or misunderstood. Rather than meaning that Jesus and the Father are physically one and the same could it be that he was saying that they are one, for lack of a better word, one 'Team'. Or put another way, Two working together as one.

For instance, if you will please forgive the comparison, a very good sports team working together as one unit/body. While obviously the team being made up of several individuals with each member working together in harmony it can sometimes seem that the team is of one mind/body. Yet physically obviously the team is made up of several individuals.

Though, a writing from a Pentecostal church information text might shed the most light when it comes to explaining why it is so often taught that Jesus is one in the same as The Father and The Holy spirit. (The Pentecostal church teaches that The Father, Son, and Holy spirit are one in the same.)

. . .

As early Christians were beginning to collect writings which would make up the New Testament. They encountered passages such as St. John, chapter seventeen, where Jesus prays to be glorified with the glory that He shared with the Father before the world was. They heard the words of John, chapter one, where the Apostle tells us that the Logos7 was both 'with' and 'was' God. They heard the benedictions in their services, which were read from the writings of the apostles, invoking Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Even more of a problem were passages such as the one from Peter's sermon at Pentecost: 'This Jesus, being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, has shed forth this which you both see and hear.'

Sincere brethren of the early church attempted to resolve the issue in a number of councils where local churches sent delegates to consider the matters at hand and to reach an understanding. They wished for all churches to speak with one voice in doctrines involving the nature of Christ.

The outcome of the councils was a series of creedal statements. In several of these, they chose to use the word 'persona' or prosopon (Latin and Greek). They said that there is but 'one God in three 'personae,' Father, Son and Holy Spirit.' These creeds, as expressed in their original languages, should not present any Christian with insurmountable difficulty. However, down through the centuries there have been misunderstandings within the Church regarding the interpretations of the creeds.

. . .

To me that seems to indicate that it was a political decision by some of the early groups to teach that the Father, The Holy spirit and Jesus are one in the same. I believe that taking a 'vote' to decide how scripture should be interpreted and presented does not automatically mean that the correct interpretation will be presented.

There will likely be debates on this subject until we each finally make it to the other side and each see for ourselves if Jesus is also The Father and the Holy Ghost or not. I can only tell you what I believe and why. I cannot tell you what you should or should not believe. For it is, ultimately, up to each one of us to read, study, learn, and most importantly listen to our own heart/soul while deciding for ourselves what is correct.



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